Flatland

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I take some major offense to this opinion of yours that the Function flatland frame is too expensive, and the cost is not justified by the means. The guys over at function arent just friends of mine, but they believe in getting things done and doing them the right way. They also happen to make the strongest flatland frame ever, each of which are welded by the same person one by one, and are each inspected by Drill Sgt. Paul once they have been completed! Let me ask you, is it worth $90 for pre-mis-welded KGB bars? FUCK NO! I have been lucky enough to have been riding a prototype function frame since they had their first prototype made. AND they were nice enough to send it to me for FREE! It has been the single most enjoyable frame for me to ride yet. I've ridden them all, and have not been as happy on any other frame as I have been on the Function frame. Everytime I go out and ride, I have a smile on my face because I know the effort and love that went into producing these machines! That being said, its hard to find a no frills frame that will last a lifetime, uses a mid bottom bracket shell, has a rear end longer than my 12 inch ruler, has 14mm dropouts that will work with the new Bamboo freecoaster from Nankai, and uses the great internal headset system. All that, and the frame is around 5.5lbs! This frame will be around even when my grandkids are my age, thats how bombproof these things are! Go ahead and say that I am only saying this because the guys who designed the frame are my friends. I wouldnt ride a piece of shit, nor would I be typing all of this if the frame itself didnt justify the cost of purchasing it. How many other rider owned companies shell out large amounts of cash to produce a small limited amount of frames just because they saw a niche market that they could cater to, not to make money, but for the love of riding! So rethink what you've already stated. You want a fucking frame that doesnt justify its costs? Howabout London frames? 600 dollars for one! Have you even been around long enough to remember the last time Flatlandfuel sold London frames on their website? P.S.- This website really stinks now, and I dont know how to make my paragraphs stay separated from eachother even though I typed them separately from eachother.

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jow i was wondering is this frame strong enough to ride street?? cause im looking to put together a street bike that i can ride flatland on also (ill still have my flat bike to though)  j/w

thanks

Matthew hartley

I ride in a parking lot

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I see as a frame which serves the flatland and street community well

"u aint smoking u"

Joined: 2007-02-02

First off let me say that I'm fucking sick of pedal right now. I had a 3 year old account that has just decided to stop working and letting me log in twice within the past few weeks. I had to make this account just to be able to post and talk to the guy I'm buying a bike from. This site needs to get its problems worked out before my head explodes.

But anyways, enough of the bitching about that. On to the justification of pricing thing. While unlike Joe I'm not personal friends with the guys at Function, I can say that I understand what they are doing and if I had the money I probably would've picked one up already. Lately there has been a trend in new production flatland frames: they're all light and look like if they took one hard fall they'd break. Now, while I know that most of the frames out there wouldn't break after one hard fall, they certainly aren't as strong as I think they should be. Flatlanders lately have just been after the lightest everything. If your bike weighs more than 25 pounds it's considered heavy by many people's standards. For the past year I have been flatlanding on a Diamondback whose frame weighs upwards of 8 pounds! Now, while I can't do all of the shit that someone could do on a 20 pound bike, I can do a lot of stuff with no problems. My point is, it's nice to see a rider owned company who actually gives two shits about their product and is going a little away from the power curve. It's a pretty light frame, but they know that it won't break. I'd much rather ride a frame that I know I can throw around and not worry about than a fucking 3.5 frame that I have to baby or else it will break right out from underneath my legs. Now, what I can't say is that I've ridden one of these frames. I would personally love to, but I don't have the funds right now. As a working 16 year old I can say that flatland is a very expensive hobby. I'm barely scraping enough money together to buy a bike from someone off here and there's no way I could buy a new frame with parts and the like. But that said, if I had an extra $340 right now, I would have no problem dropping it on that frame. Instead I'm spending a bit more that I can't exactly say is free too spend right now and I'm buying a complete. I would love to try one eventually when I have the money, as I'm sure it's a great frame, but until then I'm just speaking on personal opinion and what I've heard rather than personal experience. Even so, I hope someone actually reads this all the way through and gives two shits.

Alright, now that I'm done with my rambling, do you have a full parts list for your bike, Joe? I'd especially like to know what tires you're running.

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1. Yes, I have been around long enough to remember the london frames.

2. I have no doubt that there is a hell of a lot of heart that goes into that frame. I personally rode a div for about a year an a half and still have it, and use it as a street bike most of the time and its stronger than a lot of things I've seen.

Im not questioning anything except merely the price. Who knows, I could be all wrong and the pricing is merely to recoup production costs so that in the future frames can be produced and sold for a lower price to make them available to a wider group of riders. If anything, I'd love to ride that frame because I loved the way my div geometry was set up, Not too light, not too heavy, and at a good price. And was strong enough to hold me who a lot of the time isnt the smoothest rider around.

I appologize if you were offended. I would probably feel the same way if someone knocked the heart behind sickchild frames (Of which I've witnessed the things Ed had to go through to keep the frame going and to put out a new kick ass one, which I am currently riding).