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NotFreestylin Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 562 Location:	Date: 2006-05-31 12:24:07 Topic: Re: Thank You for defending part 2
	I have a question. What does "support the troops" mean? Is it well wishing? Is it yellow ribbon magnets on your SUV? Is it thinking you deserve a tax cut while we are at war? Is it a trucker hat with some anti-Middle Eastern statement printed on it?
AZflatlander Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 560 Location: Phoenix, Arizona	Date: 2006-05-31 23:00:46 Topic: Re: Thank You for defending part 2
	I have a question. What does "support the troops" mean? Is it well wishing? Is it yellow ribbon magnets on your SUV? Is it thinking you deserve a tax cut while we are at war? Is it a trucker hat with some anti-Middle Eastern statement printed on it? That question baffles me in that a parent can support their childs idea of even wanting to go into the military, later to find the parent crying and sobbing over their childs safe return home. Why put yourself thru the stress? It does'nt make any sense that you would give your soul to someone who skipped out on the military themself and now uses his people as numbers for his own personal gain. I know of a woman that puts what-nots (shaving cream, lotion, eye drops and shades) together and sends them with letters with postage stamps in them to the troops in Iraq because our government cut its cost on these items. I guess that is a way you can support them. How and why would you want to support the distruction of life on both sides for an unworthy cause? Unless your brainwashed. Back On a Mac!
Mr.Jowee Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 4244 Location: New Orleans, ya heard me	Date: 2006-06-01 14:43:03 Topic: Re: Thank You for defending part 2
	I have a question. What does "support the troops" mean? I depends on who's saying it. Personally I think we should wish them the best, pray for them, and hope they come home more aware of the decision they made. Maybe some of them can help younger, more oblivious Americans make the right choice about the military.
Craz-E-tooN Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 357 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia	Date: 2006-06-01 16:01:33 Topic: Re: Thank You for defending part 2
	I was saddened to think that nobody can remember the warriors of the past, and what they fought for. what makes you say that we don't remember the past? maybe we're so mad about the present BECAUSE we remeber the past. maybe we see what they fought for going down the drain. i think it really presumtuous of you to accuse people of not remebering the past because you disagree with them. QFT... My father served in World War 2 (yes, my father, he was quite a bit older then my mother), my brother also served in the Navy, (he was going to be drafted, so he dodged the bullet by enlisting, at least he got his choice of branch). I remember the past, and what I said in the other post does not mean I do not respect and appreciate what was done in the past, the accomplishments and fights that had REAL MEANING. World War 2 was a fight with a REAL cause, not some government propaganda trip to further deepen pockets and secure stronger buisness for said government at the expense of our money, and our loved ones LIVES. I have many, many friends that are in the military, and I pray for all of them that they don't get sent over to hell, and if they are already there that they make it home safe. The TROOPS have all my support and all my prayers, the MILITARY does not. There is a difference! I pray for 18yr old John Q. Nobody from East Bumblefuck, Nowheresville USA. I pray that he survives his time and actually gets to better his life in the fashion he actually joined the military for. I pray he comes home safe and celebrates his 21st birthday. I pray he gets to go to college, since that is one of the main reasons he joined the military, not to go to the sand box for a ridiculous cause. You are quick to assume that we don't support the troops, and quick to assume that we don't remember what has happened. That is bull headed and arrogant of you. Try and think a little further into the subject before saying things of that nature. There is a needless war going on, and our youth and beyond is dying for that needless war. They are being thrown into the fire at the whim of a president that doesn't give a fuck and just wants to use this war for his own gains, despite the bullshit that spills out of his mouth. Why should I support that? I don't agree with it, I will not celebrate it, and I will not pretend to like it. Memorial day was about the people that died for a good, real reason, not about a fanatical president's bullshit ideals. I will always support our troops, I will always remember the troops of the past, but I will NEVER support something like what is going on right now. The troops have my prayers, but the powers that be in the military, and the president and his "fight against terrorism" get my two fingers held high salute. You don't have to pretend to like the current situation to be thankful of the past, or the present. You don't have to hide your feelings either, my feelings of the situation do not detract in one way from my thanks to those that deserve it, which is the enlisted troops being sacrificed. They deserve better and you know it... I am thankful for their contributions, but I HATE the people that are doing it to them. T.
Joined: Posts: Location:	Date: 2006-06-01 23:28:32 Topic: Re: Thank You for defending part 2
Joined: Posts: Location:	Monk D, that was a very respectful post. I can't believe the SHIT that comes out of people's mouths, you to Nick! WTF, very sad indeed. Everyone thinks they know everything about world politics. None of you are privlegded to have access to all the facts yet you all throw your almighty opinions around like your ready to die for what you think you believe in......you don't have the courage. Before you type, you better think. Reminds of kids rebelling against Iraq, but don't do anything to curb oil consumption or do much of anything else. I was in the military and I have a good idea of how some of us THINK. FUCK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
Craz-E-tooN Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 357 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia	Date: 2006-06-02 00:00:11 Topic: Re: Thank You for defending part 2
	Monk D, that was a very respectful post. I can't believe the SHIT that comes out of people's mouths, you to Nick! WTF, very sad indeed. Everyone thinks they know everything about world politics. None of you are privlegded to have access to all the facts yet you all throw your almighty opinions around like your ready to die for what you think you believe in......you don't have the courage. Before you type, you better think. Reminds of kids rebelling against Iraq, but don't do anything to curb oil consumption or do much of anything else. I was in the military and I have a good idea of how some of us THINK. FUCK YOU VERY MUCH!!! I usually don't get into pissing matches, but I'm tired and that post struck a nerve.... What do you know? You were in the military, and that means you are THE source of info on what's going on in the world? If you were a regular enlisted soldier/sailor/marine you knew what you were told and what you NEEDED to know, nothing more. Don't think for one second that you have been put on a higher pedestal then anyone else just because of what YOU THINK YOU know. Do I assume, or think that you know less then your average joe schmoe about what is going on as a whole? No, I don't, I am sure you have certain information, and have seen/heard/done things that we (the general population) have had no first hand access to, but again, that does NOT mean that you know the facts about the entire situation. Almost everyone has posted that they thank the troops, but don't agree with the war, nor the military or government's actions as of recent. HOW is that disrespectful to you? You said you USED to be in the military, meaning you have since moved on. Now, when were you in the military? Last year, 4 years ago, 10 years ago? It make's a world of difference. I ask you this soldier boy... What is gained by our people DYING every fucking day in Iraq? Sadam is no longer in power, yet we still lose AMERICAN lives every fucking day for this fight, a fight that is no longer ours. WHY don't we pull out and let that God forsaken country try to govern itself? If you KNOW so much, then tell me why, I am really curious to know, as is a good portion of the population because the acted bullshit fed to us from our "commander in chief" does little to calm my curiosity. Your right though, I don't know why YOU joined he military, but I will say this with NO remorse... IF you joined for the purpose of running around in the "sand box" to fight a NEEDLESS war, I have NO thanks to give you. NONE. If you joined to better/protect American lives, then my thanks is yours, but you know deep down in your heart that the war we are fighting now is not doing that. Also, curbing oil consumption? What in the hell does that have to do with anything. I don't recall us getting involved in this mindless war over the oil fields in Iraq.... One last thing, don't throw stones at people for their opinions and "assumptions" then follow it up with a statement about how you don't think people are ready to die for what they believe in. Check this out bud, that is YOUR opinion. I will give MY LIFE in a heartbeat for my fiance, my family, MY FREEDOM, my way of life, and for the better good of our country. Don't you fucking dare challenge what I would give my lfe for, or make the claim that I say it with any doubt. You don't have to join the military and go fight a pointless war to be "patriotic" nor to show your devotion to your country. You dare come here and bash people for their opinions then spit out garbage like that? I've said what I had to say, now I am going to sleep. FUCK YOU very much. T.
Joined: Posts: Location:	Date: 2006-06-02 07:07:15 Topic: Re: Thank You for defending part 2
Joined: Posts: Location:	I don't know what to say other than that I don't think you understood my post. Which is fine, your acting like a dick, BUD. I never claimed to have all the facts and I would love nothing more than for our military to leave Iraq. I don't like Bush/Cheney, our dependence on oil, and many other things about this country's economical and political condition. But Memorial Day isn't about any of that, is it? So, reread my last post, BUD. I came off a little harsh, but if you feel it doesn't apply to you then why take offense? When I joined the Air Force we were not at war with anyone. The day I joined the Air National Guard 9/11 happened. I watched it happen at a MEPS processing center. Do you think I knew what Bush/Cheney were going to do? That didn't matter, it was a commitment involving a contract I was bound to. You really upset me. Soilder Boy? What a dick thing to say.
Race_Fit Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 802 Location: Brick, NJ	Date: 2006-06-02 08:43:04 Topic: Re: Thank You for defending part 2
	Damn right Sequence, Memorial day is about the war or peoples' opinions. Its about reflecting on the past soldiers, praying for our current warriors, and hope for the future.
Craz-E-tooN Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 357 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia	Date: 2006-06-02 10:41:56 Topic: Re: Thank You for defending part 2
	Alright look, I apologize for the general tone of my post, it was not meant to come across so harshly. I will not delete it, or change it becasue that is not my way, but I will apologize for the overly angry tone present. Don't get the wrong idea of me, I do appreciate the acts of our past military people, and I do appreciate that there are people out there willing to give their lives for our country's freedom. As I said earlier, my father and my brother both served in the military and I do not forget the deeds they did. This topic just begs for arguement and anger, many people have many different opinions on what is going on right now, but one thing most of us do have in common (which seems to be getting overlooked) is that we do honor and remember the past. My anger is not at you, nor any other single person in the military, it is just at the situation. You mentioned 9/11. That day is a big part of why I feel the way I do, you got to watch it on TV, I watched it happen in person. That does NOT make me better then you, but first hand exposure to a tragedy like that does do more to you mentally then just watching it on TV. I thought I was going to die that day. I watched fire trucks and ambulances drive by in a steady stream so covered in dirt and debris you couldn't make out their station numbers. I saw bloody people walking lost, and felt a feeling of dread while the fighter jets flew patterns over the city. Armed military guards in train stations and at the tunnels/bridges didn't make me feel better, they made me feel worse. Not becasue they themselves scared me, but they were living, breathing icons of what was going on and how things would never be the same. I continued to drive to work daily in fear that one of my trips through the Lincoln tunnel would find me buried in it as a car bomb went off. And probably the worst part was that I got to look south off of the roof of my building every day for weeks and see the steady stream of smoke coming from what used to be a place I took for granted just because I saw it almost everyday for almost all of my life. That smoke was the biggest concious reminder of what had happened, that it was not a dream, of all the people that died and were dying by the minute, and again, of the fact that things would never be the same. I was affected first hand, not nearly as bad as thousands of others, but first hand nontheless. Having lived through that and� having gone through the anger and fear, it just expands my hatred of Bush and his war. I saw the things I saw and experienced what I experienced and I STILL do not agree with this war, and I NEVER have.� That is the true source of my frustration and the things being spoken about in this thread just kind of spark nerves and drive people like myself to post things that are not neccessarily pertinent to the thread at all. Again, I apologize to you for my tone and I say again, I do remember and honor those that did what they did in the past for us, I will always honor them. That is what Memorial Day is about and I kind of lost the real meaning of this thread in what was being said by others. My opinions are my own, just like yours, but I just want to get some of my other feelings out and most of all present myself more clearly. T.
duffshoe7 Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 2169 Location: PA	Date: 2006-06-02 13:51:38 Topic: Re: Thank You for defending part 2
	i never really did like the yellow ribbons and everything,its just some marketing for money to be made torwards useless things .and i do give my thanks to those who died and have fought for everything we have,and for what memorial day really is,which it didnt feel like memorial day anymore,this world is just shit since the passed few years,used to be so much more than whats it is now :\| and as for this war thing,i am thankful torwards the soldiers there also in a way,not for the fact of what they are doing,i actually dont want them there and i do beleive that this whole thing is and has been very stupid,and wrong,probally the most stupid thing America has ever done,along with giving money to the middle east after we blew the shit out of it,but yeah,the troops didnt decide to go,im only thankful for them protecting us,doing something i would probally never want to do,but i am annoyed at what we are doing and how dumb some people are,like our whole country,we arent the United States that we were about 10 years ago and so forth,but some people dont care about things and just look at it in one perspective,and dont second think things. Just to get by,we keepin it fly.
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