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"Where were all the good Germans?" posted on 2006-03-27 14:40:42

O ya also if you want to be that anti hitler go right ahead. I guarantee you, that you wouldnt last long. Do you not no how hitler burned down the reichstag, suspended civil rights and arrested a bunch of communist leaders. The only check on hitlers power was hindenburg and even he was swayed by hitlers power. If anyone else had tried to step up after his death they would have been exterminated immediately.

 

"Where were all the good Germans?" posted on 2006-03-27 14:31:17

[quote="JFos"]isnt "brainwashing" the scapegoat for the guilty mass?

One could say that Hitler was THEIR scapegoat. THe Nazi's not the typical German.

I couldnt blame the hatefull end of Islam alone for suidice bombings..people have to have the will. People made individual decisions to back the ideals of the NAZI's.

Shit if you were a NAZI you thought...all your neighboring nations should bow down to the will of your own nations laws and military. You assisted in the murder of millions..you propagated a war the killed tens of millions. You did this fully knowing what was happening. An undecided or anti NAZI German voter either was dragged along or killed in the process.

Even if you think people are brainwashed....you still have to have something in place to deal with these brainwashed people...and its not going to be mass counseling. In other words no anti Hitler existed to set these people straight before issues arised...so ID'ing people as brainwashed is only important when trying to rebuild/reconstruct what happened. Right now we have people "being brainwashed" to the toons of millions...and counseling isnt going to stop suiicide bombings or murder in the name of Allah.

So tell me where brainwashing being ID'ed helps?

Eitehr if people are brainwashed into killing millions or doing it on their own accord...only one thing stops it...force.[/quote]

I would agree to a certain extent. I merely wanted to bring up the facts that the amount of propaganda in Germany at the time was at a way different level then that of which the USA is facing now as well as how the timeframe and turmoils of the time were way different.

Most Nazi loyalists had no idea what was going on and we're not even taking into the account of the most likely majority of the population that had a gun put to there head and were told to put up or shut up. To consider the people of the U.S today to be brainwashed to the same extent is kinda rediculous. I see no military war demostrations to the extent of millions. Your media is not run by the government. Your political ideology is not based on a mystical accord that calls for the death of none arians and floods the media with lies about every other race. You havnt just been pillaged and raped by every victorious nation of a war you were blamed to start but you didnt.

I could go on but whats the point? What happened in world war II was at part the blame of the german people, but more was to blame on a few sinister bastards that manipulated the weak (as in no money, no jobs, no ideals) into doing there bidding. Were as much to blame for what happened during world war II.

The treaty of Versailles robbed germany of everything and your country as well as mine were responsible for it. For every action there is a equal and opposite reaction AKA hitler. You want to blame the german people alone, but really if someone offered a way so that you could feed your family, wouldnt you take it?

Now shifting gears to the US. I think we are all responsible for whats going on. Theres no guns to anyones head here saying vote for bush. Inevitably sooner or later there will be a conflict in the middle east between us and china over one thing. The funny thing is this time we have the power to stand up and say no.

 

"Where were all the good Germans?" posted on 2006-03-27 11:58:06

There are four documentarys out right now by PBS (i think) that documented how hitler came to power. It dealt alot with the mystical order and the writings of a few people before hitler. Basically they brainwashed people into thinking that they were the decendants of gods, and with racial cleansing they could become the arian race they once were. The actual concept of the idea is pretty lucritive however with the changing world of the economic depression people fell under his spell.

I dont really think you can compare this to whats happening in America right now. Nazi germany was pretty much funded on a cult. The Nazi's were driven on nationalism and racism while the american war machine is based on greed. However i do see the similiaities people have already outlined. Its just a completely different setting. I do think we need to stand up to bush/other leaders though.

 

BIKE CHURCH 2006 FLATLAND VID (NOW DOWNLOADABLE) posted on 2006-03-22 00:27:58

WHOA! Looks like a good time!
Congrats to pete for 2nd
Cant wait to ride with everyone at Street Justice this summer!

 

Flatland in Vancouver? posted on 2006-03-20 08:27:45

Nels I still may be able to come. Drop me a email.