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joeDammit Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 5110 Location: NYC	Date: 2007-02-16 00:37:01 Topic: Re: Justification for pricing? Have they really gone too far?!
	Its cool man, I love Ed and his company as well. If Function didnt exist, I'd probobly be riding a Sick Child right now. I guess to explain the cost of the Function frame a little better.....I should begin by saying nothing made in America by an American (white dude) in small quantities is cheap. If this frame were made in Taiwan, in batches of hundreds, it would cost the same price as the Suelo frames that are on sale for almost 100 bucks. But those frames are pieces of shit compared to Functions. Its like going into a candy store and buying either a 5 cent piece of gum, or a 5 dollar swiss chocolate bar. Nahmean? Also, think about S&M, S&M sells street frames (no bendy tubes, cheaper production costs) for $350 or so, and they produce tons of them as well as other companies frames. If you want prices to be justified that are outrageous, ask why S&M's cost so damn much. Also, a lot of people are afraid to steer away from the trends because of money situations. If you make trendy things that means you're in it for the money. Function isnt about putting cash in their pocket like that. Function follows their dreams, caters to a small crowd, and is not afraid to stray from what "flatland" has become. www.functionbmx.com www.recycleabicycle.org www.sickchildbikes.com Dont hate the player, hate the game. Team Dumbass, worldwide.
norcalflat Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 848 Location: Seaside, CA	Date: 2007-02-16 01:36:45 Topic: Re: Justification for pricing? Have they really gone too far?!
	Every time I see someone bitching about frame prices I have to laugh. You guys have no fucking idea how much time, effort, and money goes into just getting to the manufacturing stage. If you want a nice US made, hand welded frame that will last several times longer than the majority of people will ride, drop $350 on a nice frame. If you are broke and dont really care where a frame is made, buy a Taiwan made frame. I personally have broken several overseas made frames(street and flat, and a couple mountain bikes). Braking frames sucks. You ride it long enough to get comfortable on it, the pop, you have to find another frame, find a way to pay for it, build it up, and then get used to it again. Fuck that. Ill drop another $100 just to avoid that bullshit. $350 for a frame is totally justified for a qualtiy made frame. I have never broken a US made frame to date. And just for kicks, lets compare BMX frames to other frames. My last flat frame retailed for $330, my road bike frame retails for $2000. And dont even get me started on the parts on that bitch. I know, I could have bought a Civic for the same price, oh well, fuck cars. Bottom line, if you dont want to pay $300+ for a frame, buy a cheap mass produced one, or buy a nice US made one second hand. And dont tell me "Im only 13 years old and I cant get a job and my parents wont buy me a bike" because I cut peoples lawns when I was that age to buy a GT, the moneys out there you just have to go get it. When you design, test, and produce(in house) a frame and put it out for $200, then you can call a $340 frame "overpriced.' Just because you cant afford it doesnt mean its overpriced.
norcalflat Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 848 Location: Seaside, CA	Date: 2007-02-16 01:53:26 Topic: Re: Justification for pricing? Have they really gone too far?!
	Cost breakdown of making a frame(after you have already paid for prototypes, designing, an' all dat shit): -Raw materials, tubing, welding rods, etc -specialty frame components(dropouts, head tube, brake bosses, BB, etc) -Tooling to miter, bend, and weld, and a jig to make sure that shit is straight -Painting/powdercoating, in house or outsourcing both have their expenses -workspace, I doubt many people do this shit in their kitchen -Time, time is money, gotta get paid, gotta eat Then, when the frames are ready, they are shipped to distributors, dealers, pimps and hustlers. Each of them add their little bit of profit to the price of the frame before whoring it out on the streets.
EP Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 1102 Location:	Date: 2007-02-16 09:38:53 Topic: Re: Justification for pricing? Have they really gone too far?!
EP Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 1102 Location:	I dont care how much "heart" or "love" went into a frame,. its a damn frame!!! I want a frame to ride not some emotionally charged piece of metal. bottom line: Judging by the current market of flatland frames YES this frame is too expensive Reasons: Seriously flatlanders RARELY ride the same frame forever so the fact that you say it will last a lifetime,. not too important. Lighter frames are available at lower costs, I could buy two fly simples and still have money left over,. and the fly simple is a beautiful frame (I own one) The design is simplistic, thus if someone wants to spend alot for a "crazy" looking stylish flatland frame, its not this one. If someone wants a straight tube simplistic frame there are better options,. Sorry but its the truth I doubt this frame will stay at this price point much longer. I have gotten many a funny look from people walking by as I curse at the ground, lol. I curse the ground too,.. damn its called flatland... not bumpy-dip-land.
joeDammit Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 5110 Location: NYC	Date: 2007-02-16 21:27:38 Topic: Re: Justification for pricing? Have they really gone too far?!
	EP, you just dont understand. What is this shit you're saying about judging by the market right now? That has nothing to do with anything. And most flatlanders that are any good DO keep frames for years. Stop talking out of your ass bro! Do you know why Suelo frames cost so little? Because they are cheap quality and are mass produced by the thousands, and when you break one you can just buy another for half as much as you payed for the first one because they produced way more than the flatland market can handle! I was highly dissapointed by the Simple frame. By the way, go look at Danscomp and tell me how many frames are for sale that cost $320 and up. You will find more than 10! Also, why do KHE limited edition (made in Taiwan) flatland frames cost almost $400 when Standard bikes are around the same price, made of much better tubing, and welded in house at Waterford in the USA by one person? Like I said, you just dont understand. And you're never going to understand. Maybe one day you'll own the same frame for the rest of your life but judging from your attitude, that will never happen. www.functionbmx.com www.recycleabicycle.org www.sickchildbikes.com Dont hate the player, hate the game. Team Dumbass, worldwide.
norcalflat Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 848 Location: Seaside, CA	Date: 2007-02-17 02:32:20 Topic: Re: Justification for pricing? Have they really gone too far?!
	The new Simple is $300, the old Simples are only cheap because no one wants them and theyre on closeout.
DiscoQuinn Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 747 Location: Kitchener, ON	Date: 2007-02-17 06:46:53 Topic: Re: Justification for pricing? Have they really gone too far?!
	Just buy a Haro M7 frame, same weight, colour and almost the exact same gemotry and look. No point in argueing, just realize, it's a generic 2 triangle frame, and move on, no biggy. ______________________________________________________ ~DQ I HATE THE ADVERTISEMENTS ON PEDAL I HATE THE ADVERTISEMENTS ON PEDAL I HATE THE ADVERTISEMENTS ON PEDAL
hijito Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 294 Location: Czech Republic	Date: 2007-02-17 07:23:22 Topic: Re: Justification for pricing? Have they really gone too far?!
	the frame looks great! when my div breaks i'm after this one. can they be produced custom? like different TT? well, don't diss suelos, they ARE quality, i've ridden one for year and sth, smashed it hard few times and it didn't have any little bent (nor those little 10mm dropouts), and the powdercoat was great (unlike the div). yeah i can see myself spending 340 for a frame... wait, what about quamens? lots of you ride that and don't complain about the price... http://www.bmxboard.wz.cz/templates/subSilver/images/logo_phpBB.gif
Graveyard29 Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 250 Location:	Date: 2007-02-17 12:10:56 Topic: Re: Justification for pricing? Have they really gone too far?!
	^^^ ha i was just gonna say the same thing. i ride a Quamen, and it cost 350. and honestly, if i was after what the Function frame offered, id buy one in a second. i only chose the Quamen for certain features. I like the lower top tube without all the bent up tubes, and i like the shorter rear. But i do know that function frames are of top quality, i would honestly put them right up there with Quamen and Sickchild. I rode Joe's Function and thought is was a nice feeling frame and very sturdy. It also had nice welds and was very sharp and clean looking. I think price isnt argued with Quamen just because of the name, (no offece to Quamen of course)..people know it and they have been around a while. But honestly, I think the function frames price is completely justified as a USA handmade , quality frame. and if i put together a street bike, i will prolly get a function frame, cuz i know it will hold up fine. As of today, the only frames id ride are Quamen, Function, and Sickchild. Cuz honestly i think they are the top quality frames available.
felix Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 10 Location: south jersey	Date: 2007-02-28 19:16:22 Topic: Re: Justification for pricing? Have they really gone too far?!
	well to all you jackasses out there who can't wrap your minds around the fact that a handmade in the usa frame cost over 300 dollars. it's all about craftsmanship. you want to buy the best flat land frame buy a function. i realize most people think, key word here is think that they need a fucking frame with bent this and bent that to be able to ride flatland. well you all have your heads stuck up your asses.it also seams that most people want to follow the new flavor of the month. anybody who has been riding for a long time knows that shit aint gona last. most of the frames with bent downtubes anf rear triangles are just going to break, and the fact that they made with sub par materials compared to any bike that makes frames by hand in the states.look at t1,fbm fit, s&m standard. all pride them selfs on being made in the states by some who gets what riding a bikes all about. now ask your self does some dude in tiwan knows what its like to ride a bike or evan give a dam of the frame is made correctly. folks its all about the details with function, take a close look at the frames. drop outs are welded on the inside. quality machining on the head tube and bottom bracket. tell if one of those " tiwan" frame can claim that. i know more than a few people that had a hard time putting a bottom brack in their frame when it's suposed tobe a pressfit mid. yeah it fit after some grinding on the bottom bracket shell. people look at your frames, are all the complete. is the rear end weld straight. are you dropout cro-molly or mild steel. can you trust your frame after a hard slam? well i know anyone who has a frame made in the states can answer yes.
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