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dunamisdesigns Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 601 Location: Houston,TX	Date: 2006-09-29 11:37:52 Topic: Elevation5 - Judging format
	Below is a list of 4 different categories that we plan on using for judging the riding at Elevation5. We've posted this in order to get some feedback from the riding community and to also give riders an idea of what to expect. We understand that judging flatland is a hot topic and not everyone agrees on the best way to do so. Our goal for E5 and the development of this format was not to create the mother of all flatland judging formats, but simply to come up with something simple, yet concise and uncomplicated. So give us your feedback, and be nice about it. We didn't post this on here so that all the haters could have something to go off on. We're simply asking for some positive feedback, so that we can adjust some things if needed. Everyone has to understand that this is one event, hosted by one company, who will ultimately structure the event the way they feel best. Every event is different and this is not the olympics. Please keep that in mind. Here is the format: Elevation 5 – Judging Format / Structure As determined by Dunamis Meida Technicality / Difficulty – this category takes into account the difficulty or skill level of a rider’s tricks. For example, a brakeless rider’s difficulty level is increased by the removal of his brakes if he/she is compared to another rider with brakes doing the same type of tricks. Of course, that rider will have to show the difficulty and skill level of riding that way and riiding brakeless doesn't necessarily earn a rider extra points. The brakeless scenerio is just an example. This category also takes into account more of today’s technical tricks (i.e. - rolling bar flips, turbined tricks, speed, pumping, difficult transitions from one trick to another, etc.) Consistency / Touching / “Dialed” – in simplest terms, this category takes into account a rider’s “oneness” with his bike. Elements that will affect a rider’s score in this category will include jerkiness, lack of control, execution, and overall ability to pull and land tricks with ease and confidence. This category gives the rider the ability to show the he or she has practiced and become “one” with their bike and in the simplist terms "dialed". Style / Flow / Creativity – this category takes into account how well a rider’s tricks blend and flow. A rider making tricks his or her “own” is a plus in this category. Points for style come to those who add elements of originality to their own tricks and staple flatland tricks and links. (Staple tricks include, but are not limited to the following: funky chickens, hangfives, hitchhikers, backpackers, cliffhangers, crackpackers, dumptrucks, steamrollers, etc.) Overall Performance – judging over this category will take the following into account: a.Attitude b.Sportsmanship c.Variety of tricks d.Non-repetitiveness in overall runs e.Relevance in class (i.e. – someone in expert class that is evidently not an expert rider but rather an Am or belongs in Pro class, could have that counted against them) f.Old school vs. new school factor g.Riders lack of progression (i.e. – riders who don’t exhibit progression fitting for their class and today’s riding standards, could have that counted against them) Not everything is as it seems.
Mr.Jowee Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 4244 Location: New Orleans, ya heard me	Date: 2006-09-29 19:01:30 Topic: Re: Elevation5 - Judging format
	Will each judge be assigned a specific catagory and judge based on that, or will each judge grade a rider based on all four catagories?
dunamisdesigns Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 601 Location: Houston,TX	Date: 2006-09-29 22:10:07 Topic: Re: Elevation5 - Judging format
	There will be one judge for each category. Each judge will concentrate on their one category and judge accordingly. Not everything is as it seems.
ColinSmith Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 1102 Location: Scotland	Date: 2006-10-01 16:44:23 Topic: Re: Elevation5 - Judging format
	What I always wonder with splitting the areas for the judges is like, if I guy comes out and is trying great styley flowy, super hard stuff stuff, but walking all over the floor with touches, is he supposed to get 100/100 for the "tech" and "style" category? I think you'd have to really drill that into the judges if that's the case.... "yeah, I know he might do the worst run in the group, but if it flows/is hard, you still have to mark him top" I think there would be a natural tendancy for each judge to give the best runs the best marks, which might not always be in line with the criteria you've set up. I see the benefits fo the category approach for fairness, but think it depends on the judges to a bigger degree that way.... most people can easily tell you which run they thought was best, but it's harder to say which one flowed better, ignoring touches and difficulty completly. The big plus is if you publish the judging scheme and then stick to it, however well it works, at least there should be no moaning afterwards......hmmm... ;-)
dunamisdesigns Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 601 Location: Houston,TX	Date: 2006-10-01 22:42:59 Topic: Re: Elevation5 - Judging format
	thanks for the feedback colin. we posted this info for the reason that you mentioned. we want everyone competing to know how they are going to be judged and know what to expect. We're still fine tuning this whole deal, but appreciate as much feedback as possible. thanks again. Not everything is as it seems.
ColinSmith Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 1102 Location: Scotland	Date: 2006-10-02 05:36:36 Topic: Re: Elevation5 - Judging format
	No worries. I know it's a tough option to arrange, but I think if you had video tape of full runs of a previous contest and had a mock judging session with the guys that'll judge your contest then you'd be able to iron out a lot of problems very quickly.
SurfonFlatland Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 1855 Location: Lakeland Florida	Date: 2006-10-05 09:18:48 Topic: Re: Elevation5 - Judging format
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Oui Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 3553 Location:	Date: 2006-10-06 21:25:43 Topic: Re: Elevation5 - Judging format
Oui Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 3553 Location:	How can you possibly judge how well a riders trick flow into one another...? That's a totally subjective. i am FOOKING FLATLANDER WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS?
dunamisdesigns Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 601 Location: Houston,TX	Date: 2006-10-06 21:39:16 Topic: Re: Elevation5 - Judging format
	How can you possibly judge how well a riders trick flow into one another...? That's a totally subjective. I wouldn't say that it's totally subjective, because an obvious flow can be recognized in someone's riding. Again, this thread was posted to get some input, suggestions, and ideas, not just more questions. What's your solution? Not everything is as it seems.
ColinSmith Joined: A long time ago... Posts: 1102 Location: Scotland	Date: 2006-10-07 06:51:12 Topic: Re: Elevation5 - Judging format
	Is there any judging criteria apart from number of touches that is NOT totally subjective? I can't see any way that flatland judging will not be a subjective thing, unless it is so tightly regulated that you can only do "official" moves and combos. I don't think that flow is any harder to judge than difficulty or style, it's just that they are all hard ;-)
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