Politics/Religion

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The president of Iran tells us everything we need to know about Iran and Islam...

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id4/dem_islam.htm

"Today, those [in Iran] who spread slogans such as reform, liberty, political development, democracy, [and] human rights... are fighting [the] religion [of Islam], and... with their demonic and colonialist theories, [they] call for separation of religion and state or support people who pursue these principles. They must realize that they are moving in the opposite direction from the path of Imam [Khomeini], and, as the Imam said, 'Maybe these people do not realize that the words against religion and against Islamic values that come from their mouths are the same words coming from the mouths of people like Bush, Sharon, Jack Straw, and others in power in the dictatorial colonialist regimes."


Now taking this statement, along with his statements about how Israel should not exist, and then the fact that they have a nuclear weapon program (thanks to Russia, good job to whoever helped that happen!) I'd say Iran may be causing some serious problems in the near future.

And we can't forget the suicide bombing seminar:
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/93-02182006-615039.html

Mohammad Ali Samadi, spokesman for Esteshadion, or Martyrdom Seekers, boasted of having hundreds of potential bombers in his talk at a seminar on suicide-bombings tactics at Tehran's Khajeh Nasir University.

"With more than 1,000 trained martyrdom-seekers, we are ready to attack the American and British sensitive points if they attack Iran's nuclear facilities," Samadi said.

"If they strike, we have a lot of volunteers. Their (U.S. and British) sensitive places are quiet close to Iranian borders," Samadi said.

Samadi reviewed the history of suicide bombing as a weapon, praising it as the most effective Palestinian tactic in their confrontation with Israel.

Frequent punishments are always a sign of weakness or laziness on the part of a government. -Jean Jacques Rousseau

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none of this matters. Anything preemptive would be viewed as another Iraq. Europe isnt going to address this issue while the US wouldnt be able to based on International pressure. You guys wouldnt support anything preemptive. Iran is going to develop their nukes while half the west justifies it based on Israel having them (socialist). Israel will do something about it. It will be viewed as another aggression WRONGFULLY by the common non violent Middle Eastern Muslim. Iran developing nukes was the aggression. If Israel didnt attack..youd find out about some guy blowing himself up in downtown Tel Aviv killing thousands of Jews with a nuke from who knows where..or simply placing a nuke on the tip of one of those Russian missiles Iran just purchased.Youll see a counter by Israel that would pretty much wipe out what ever military capacity Iran has. Wont matter. Im sure Irans "Jihadist" government will have thought this through before then. Thus the backing of terrorist efforts in Palestine..thus the same resolve with their own issues.

This Iran issues big. Even if you believe in Israeli conspiracies...at some point a nation like Iran is going to have this ability...like I am sure its working on.

What do you do about it? Yell "its the Jews" say its our fault while they still arm themselves. or do something actually?

Wait?...go in like we did in Iraq on a maybe on WMD's but a definite on sanctions?

Create sanctions that would then be the default issue? That no one would follow through on anyways?

and when we resolve the Iran issue...we'll have more. Its inevitable ESPECIALLY how week minded the West is in general that were gonna get severely knocked in the head again.

Id say were gonna get a huge test after the next election. You guys think Bush hasent accomplished anything against terrorism and people who misinterpret Jihad? Youll see when someone gets elected who isnt willing to wreak havoc and make life miserable to those that follow terrorism. A personality type lets say that would not have the heart to put infantry on the ground.

Right now Al Quaida knows an attack on US soil would commit more resources by the West to the wars, any attack that would happen more than likely would NOT be a group with any clear ties to foreign governments. I believe the attacks in London were more homegrown with out ties to Islamic governments.. We would probably be able to justify going into Pakistan or where ever at that point and wipe out local political structures NOT taking over the entire government. Like those in north western Pakistan. The US soil might be something that limited groups are seeking to touch right now...especially those with DIRECT connection to middle eastern or north african governments. Pressure from those leadership’s hierarchies who DONT want an easily sellable reason for US or UN troops to be present.

The Iran issue will solve itself either when the UN takes itself seriously....or when a huge conflict ends with sadly millions of deaths...were heading for it. Im not wanting it..but its obvious...even when we find a new source of fuel and we lower our dependant ties to the Middle East...there will still exist a form of Islam that is fighting for its place as the dominant religeon..nothing to do with fuel. The excuse then to hate us will not be our money and oil hungry war machine it will be that we are allowing them to starve. Then we'll politically correctly fund them more and more after we pull out. The entire region will be a West-Palestinian relationship at that point. A large scale entitlement program. UN funds and supplies will be diverted by local war lords..pretty much how the political structure deteriorates when no outside "western interference" occurs. Israel will be left to deal with the issue how it deals with it...which no doubt is going to be heavy handed which will draw severe criticism from Western nations...a UN presence will occur again. OR a US-British. Its inevitable ..people clinging to the idea that its simply going to end when we become fuel independant..your wrong. Look what this fine President of Iran believes. Desperate people in desperate situations will only become MORE desperate when the governments governoring them crumble due to the lack of financial resources provided by oil production...when we get those Jetson's cars running on corn liquor.

I know this...when Europe was invaded by the Moor's it had nothing to do with oil....when the Crusaders invaded the Middle East it had nothing to do with oil....when Rome destroyed Israel..it had nothing to do with oil.

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Allow me to be PC and say this about the middle east:

"Kill'em all and let whatever god they believe in sort'em out."

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Allow me to be PC and say this about the middle east:

"Kill'em all and let whatever god they believe in sort'em out."

Last time I checked, that's what the middle east was saying about us too.

Frequent punishments are always a sign of weakness or laziness on the part of a government. -Jean Jacques Rousseau

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yeah im sure the election was real democratic. :roll:

it wouldnt matter if it was..the only information freely exchanged is pro Islamic

and yeah lets just sit back till they detonate a nuke or fire one off at Israel.

Your saying lets sit back and wait for WW4 to begin...which it already has...and IDO count the cold war as WW3...

I say dont allow them to arm..because then your talking about an irreversable dissaster that will harm all peope.