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Date: 2006-02-14 13:42:30 Direct Link: Read this too!

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Dick Cheney's Illegal Oil Deals with Saddam Hussein
by oil war Wednesday November 21, 2001 at 03:04 AM


Dick Cheney would never, ever do business with terrorists ... right? Even when it was illegal to do so in the United States? Just what is going on here that we don't know about? Why isn't this on the evening news?


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Here's a whopper of a story you may have missed amid the cacophony of campaign ads and stump speeches in the run-up to the elections. During former defense secretary Richard Cheney's five-year tenure as chief executive of Halliburton, Inc., his oil services firm raked in big bucks from dubious commercial dealings with Iraq. Cheney left Halliburton with a $34 million retirement package last July when he became the GOP's vice-presidential candidate. Of course, U.S. firms aren't generally supposed to do business with Saddam Hussein. But thanks to legal loopholes large enough to steer an oil tanker through, Halliburton profited big-time from deals with the Iraqi dictatorship. Conducted discreetly through several Halliburton subsidiaries in Europe, these greasy transactions helped Saddam Hussein retain his grip on power while lining the pockets of Cheney and company. According to the Financial Times of London, between September 1988 and last winter, Cheney, as CEO of Halliburton, oversaw $23.8 million of business contracts for the sale of oil-industry equipment and services to Iraq through two of its subsidiaries, Dresser Rand and Ingersoll-Dresser Pump, which helped rebuild Iraq's war-damaged petroleum-production infrastructure. The combined value of these contracts exceeded those of any other U.S. company doing business with Baghdad. Halliburton was among more than a dozen American firms that supplied Iraq's petroleum industry with spare parts and retooled its oil rigs when U.N. sanctions were eased in 1998. Cheney's company utilized subsidiaries in France, Italy, Germany, and Austria so as not to draw undue attention to controversial business arrangements that might embarrass Washington and jeopardize lucrative ties to Iraq, which will pump $24 billion of petrol under the U.N.-administered oil-for-food program this year. Assisted by Halliburton, Hussein's government will earn another $1 billion by illegally exporting oil through black-market channels. With Cheney at the helm since 1995, Halliburton quickly grew into America's number-one oil-services company, the fifth-largest military contractor, and the biggest nonunion employer in the nation. Although Cheney claimed that the U.S. government "had absolutely nothing to do" with his firm's meteoric financial success, State Department documents obtained by the Los Angeles Times indicate that U.S. officials helped Halliburton secure major contracts in Asia and Africa. Halliburton now does business in 130 countries and employs more than 100,000 workers worldwide. Its 1999 income was a cool $15 billion. In addition to Iraq, Halliburton counts among its business partners several brutal dictatorships that have committed egregious human rights abuses, including the hated military regime in Burma (Myanmar). EarthRights, a Washington, D.C.-based human rights watchdog, condemned Halliburton for two energy-pipeline projects in Burma that led to the forced relocation of villages, rape, murder, indentured labor, and other crimes against humanity. A full report (this is a 45 page pdf file - there is also a brief summary) on the Burma connection, "Halliburton's Destructive Engagement," can be accessed on EarthRights' Web site, www.earthrights.org. Human rights activists have also criticized Cheney's company for its questionable role in Algeria, Angola, Bosnia, Croatia, Haiti, Rwanda, Somalia, Indonesia, and other volatile trouble spots. In Russia, Halliburton's partner, Tyumen Oil, has been accused of committing massive fraud to gain control of a Siberian oil field. And in oil-rich Nigeria, Halliburton worked with Shell and Chevron, which were implicated in gross human rights violations and environmental calamities in that country. Indeed, Cheney's firm increased its involvement in the Niger Delta after the military government executed several ecology activists and crushed popular protests against the oil industry. Halliburton also had business dealings in Iran and Libya, which remain on the State Department's list of terrorist states. Brown and Root, a Halliburton subsidiary, was fined $3.8 million for reexporting U.S. goods to Libya in violation of U.S. sanctions. But in terms of sheer hypocrisy, Halliburton's relationship with Saddam Hussein is hard to top. What's more, Cheney lied about his company's activities in Iraq when journalists fleetingly raised the issue during the campaign. Questioned by Sam Donaldson on ABC's This Week program in August, Cheney bluntly asserted that Halliburton had no dealings with the Iraqi regime while he was on board. Donaldson: I'm told, and correct me if I'm wrong, that Halliburton, through subsidiaries, was actually trying to do business in Iraq? Cheney: No. No. I had a firm policy that I wouldn't do anything in Iraq – even arrangements that were supposedly legal. And that was it! ABC News and the other U.S. networks dropped the issue like a hot potato. As damning information about Halliburton surfaced in the European press, American reporters stuck to old routines and took their cues on how to cover the campaign from the two main political parties, both of which had very little to say about official U.S. support for abusive corporate policies at home and abroad. But why, in this instance, didn't the Democrats stomp and scream about Cheney's Iraq connection? The Gore campaign undoubtedly knew of Halliburton's smarmy business dealings from the get-go. Gore and Lieberman could have made hay about how the wannabe GOP veep had been in cahoots with Saddam. Such explosive revelations may well have swayed voters and boosted Gore's chances in what was shaping up to be a close electoral contest. The Democratic standard-bearers dropped the ball in part because Halliburton's conduct was generally in accordance with the foreign policy of the Clinton administration. Cheney is certainly not the only Washington mover and shaker to have been affiliated with a company trading in Iraq. Former CIA Director John Deutsch, who served in a Democratic administration, is a member of the board of directors of Schlumberger, the second-largest U.S. oil-services company, which also does business through subsidiaries in Iraq. Despite occasional rhetorical skirmishes, a bipartisan foreign-policy consensus prevails on Capital Hill, where the commitment to human rights, with a few notable exceptions, is about as deep as an oil slick. Truth be told, trading with the enemy is a time-honored American corporate practice – or perhaps "malpractice" would be a more appropriate description of big-business ties to repressive regimes. Given that Saddam Hussein, the pariah du jour, has often been compared to Hitler, it's worth pointing out that several blue-chip U.S. firms profited from extensive commercial dealings with Nazi Germany. Shockingly, some American companies – including Standard Oil, Ford, ITT, GM, and General Electric – secretly kept trading with the Nazi enemy while American soldiers fought and died during World War II. Today General Electric is among the companies that are back in business with Saddam Hussein, even as American jets and battleships attack Iraq on a weekly basis using weapons made by G.E. But the United Nations sanctions committee, dominated by U.S. officials, has routinely blocked medicines and other essential items from being delivered to Iraq through the oil-for-food program, claiming they have a potential military "dual use." These sanctions have taken a terrible toll on ordinary Iraqis, and on children in particular, while the likes of Halliburton and G.E. continue to lubricate their coffers. Martin A. Lee is author of The Beast Reawakens, a book about resurgent fascism. His column, Reality Bites, appears every Monday on sfbg.com. http://www.sfbg.com/


People need to wake the fuck up!!! It seems as though most people only bitch after its to late!


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Date: 2006-02-14 15:03:37 Direct Link: Re: Peak Oil

As we look to use up everyone else's reserves before our own in the name of WMD's, Terrorists, and/or Democracy.

That "war for oil" crap is just that; crap. It would be cheaper and easier to just play ball with Saddam, The Saudis, Iran, and any other nut job than it is take them to war. Spend trillions on war, or spend millions on oil? Why havn't we invaded West Africa in the name of Democracy and human rights (both of which are extremly lacking in that region of the world) to steal their oil?



Well after Iraq and surrounding areas are secured, the revenue from the oil reserves will most likely surpass the cost of the "war". This will be especially true in the near future when the reserves start to run dry and the oil can be sold for double or triple. Why pay for oil when you can assume control of it all and charge whatever price you want for it?

Fact is the US would probably be in west africa if that's where the terrorists were from. The war on terror is an excuse that the US uses to enter the region. It doesn't hurt either that the US have spent a few years honing their equipment and troops to the conditions of the middle east-see operation desert storm.

The US government pulls the wool over their citizens eyes with visions of revenge missions on the terrorists that killed so many of their own. Do we really even know who the culprits are? Have you ever pondered the idea that footage of Osama and his henchmen is nothing more than old stock footage from the basement of the US government's most formidable ally-CNN!

Just some thoughts...some immaginative thoughts i suppose. Take them as you will....


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Date: 2006-02-14 19:05:42 Direct Link: Re: Peak Oil

As we look to use up everyone else's reserves before our own in the name of WMD's, Terrorists, and/or Democracy.

That "war for oil" crap is just that; crap. It would be cheaper and easier to just play ball with Saddam, The Saudis, Iran, and any other nut job than it is take them to war. Spend trillions on war, or spend millions on oil? Why havn't we invaded West Africa in the name of Democracy and human rights (both of which are extremly lacking in that region of the world) to steal their oil?



Well after Iraq and surrounding areas are secured, the revenue from the oil reserves will most likely surpass the cost of the "war". This will be especially true in the near future when the reserves start to run dry and the oil can be sold for double or triple. Why pay for oil when you can assume control of it all and charge whatever price you want for it?



The US can't assume control of the resources there. What they hope to do is install a friendly government (that is, friendly to US and Israeli concerns). That was sort of an excuse for the outreagous cost predictions; the Iraqis would pay us back with their oil revenue. But Washington knew from day one that there would be no friendly government, and Civil War would be the norm.


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Date: 2006-02-15 18:41:05 Direct Link: Oil, War, Deficit, Unemployment

Again there is nothing there except "technology moves forward" Dont need to call me a douche bag.Just come up with some facts to back up your arguement. Look at your posts about nanotechnology and flex fuel and tell me that cant be picked apart made up fact by made up fact.

Look at automotive technology 50 years ago... Look at what we have now... compare the 2.... Think 50 years from now.... Technology moves.. As for me proving stuff? im not a college professor.. if your interested in what I have to say and don't believe it... look it up.. its not my job to teach you shit.... I posted an article in the general forum about robotic clay made using nanotehcnology not too long ago... don't remember the exact name of the topic, but it had something to do with terminator coming true... go find it and read it... Now, after you've read that, wouldn't it be possible to make a motor out of this robotic clay after we master the technology in x number of years? Nanomotors are extremely electricly efficient... Using this clay technology, you could combine the power of all the nanomotors into 1 gearing system to drive the car... Nanomotors are actually found in living things like bacteria... And as seen in their application can be assembled in a chain like fasion to create more power....
If you don't see how nanotech can being applied in a motor, fine... some people just don't get it... But, I know as well as anyone thats kept up with this tech, that its going to be in everything...
Theres better ways to solve the oil problem... Im not too worried about it.


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Date: 2006-02-17 09:27:35 Direct Link: Oil, War, Deficit, Unemployment

Ok You have talked a bunch of mumbo jumbo and put words in my mouth. I never said technology doesn’t move forward. What im saying is nano technology wont replace gas. That’s like saying resistors have gotten so sophisticated they can run a car. Its comparing apples and oranges. Plus you have to learn what you are talking about. You have said one thing “technology moves forward” and have supplied no facts about nanotechnology having anything to do with replacing gas.

Plus I read in popular science that there are ways to make large motors built up of many of those nano-motors, that could combine the efforts of all of them. Could you imagine running a car made up of nano motors that runs on a thimbles worth of gas?

Nano motors don’t run on a thimble of gas. they run on light, electricity, or chemics like hydrogen peroxide where the bond energies can be used.
research flex fuel technology... 500mpg cars are possible... we just aren't allowed to have them.

Ford has a flexfuel/hybrid concept car.
Isn't it odd that we can make an attomic bomb, but we can't make an efficient car?

Atomic bombs have nothing to do with cars. We can make an atomic car if you wanted, but it practical and safe..?
I saw this shit on tv about how they figured out a way to paint a car using nano technology, and were able to make the paint on the car minus the doors, 1 solid molecule.

You show me one thing that says that. you sure its not X micron thick paint?
Everything is going to be utilizing this technology in the next 10 years or so... and those nanomotors are still new.. imagine what we will be able to do 15 years from now with them.... popular science says that you can combine the power of all the nano-motors to make a larger motor... So eventually... it will very likely be possible to make a larger scaled version.

Again “practical use” is in 10 years. Small electronics, medical tools.
But like I said... this technology is old as fuck... like from back in the 1970's old... the oil companies just wont let us have it... I guess theres some kind of contract most countries have with opec or some shit that wont allow them to use that technology for the price we get. and as for it not breaking 30mpg till 2014 thats bullshit, those cars get better milage than that. We have cars now that get more than that running regular ol gasoline. The 6 cylinder hyundi sonata I rented to drive to chicago a week ago was getting 41mpg on the freeway according to the gauge in the dashboard. and thats not even a hybrid car....

The 2006 hyundai sonatra is rated at 20-30mpg. is yours super duper awesome?
and we already have cars that break the 40mpg barrier... I was just driving one not even a week ago... Go to enterprise rent-a-car and rent a 2006 hyundai sonata if you don't believe me... I drove from cleveland to chicago and only used 3/4 a tank of gas...

2006 hyundai sonatra is has a 17.7 gallon tank. you went from Cleveland to Chicago on ¾ tank. That’s around 350 miles. That’s about 26 mpg. You would have to go about 550 miles on that ¾ tank to get 40 mpg. That would bring you way past Chicago from Cleveland.
Moores law anyone?

moores law is a prediction not an actual law.


Look around you douchebag! Are you blind or just really dumb?

very professional btw
Do you even know what goes on inside of a computer now compared to the technology we had less than 40 years ago?

Do you know what goes on in a nanometer we aren’t talking about computers?
Look at the space program now compared to 40 years ago... How can you even doubt the rate of technological advancement with whats happened in the last 50 years? Any idea how primitive things were 50 years ago? Think about whats going to happen 50 years from now with the rate of technological advancement as it is... What we have now will be stone age shit then.

Yes technology moves forward good job.
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And who said you need fuel to really move something from one place to another....

The law of conservation of energy does. The first law of thermodynamics does.
college professor.. if your interested in what I have to say and don't believe it... look it up..

your talking to a person who has been studying this crap for the past 2 years. Its obvious your not a college professor.
If you don't see how nanotech can being applied in a motor, fine... some people just don't get it... But, I know as well as anyone thats kept up with this tech, that its going to be in everything...

Yup you apparently don’t get it.
Theres better ways to solve the oil problem... Im not too worried about it.

exactly, not in nanotechnology. It will increase mpg but not replace gas.


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Date: 2006-02-21 13:43:33 Direct Link: Oil, War, Deficit, Unemployment

Yeah, nanomotors can run on light... which is soooo less abundant than gasoline.... and its not like we can focus light into a stronger more concentrated form like they show on tv at all... laser beams are totally a myth....

yes, ford has a concept car... key word.. concept... as in not available for purchase by joe smoe consumer...

Never said we should make an atomic car... but Still atomic enegery is really really efficient, and yet we can't find efficiency in other materials?

As for the paint, Watch the discover channel... Not sure what the show was called cause it was like 3 months ago that I saw it... Im sure it will be on again.. the name of the show had something to do with nano future or some shit... The paint is not yet available for consumer use yet because the process in making the paint 1 solid molecule is some what costly still. In years to come it will be standard.

Yeah, 10 years from now we will start to see main stream usage of this nano technology... But once we've mastered it, it will be in literally everything... Theres a lot about this technology that is still unknown, and theres a lot to learn.

well the hyundai site says that... but thats not what the gauges in the car say... its a hyundai though.. so I guess I shouldn't expect the gauges to be fully acurate... but you must also keep in mind, I live 45 minutes east of cleveland... and had to do lots of driving around before we left... pick up other passengers, go to the bank, drop off the guy that drove the rental car to my girl friends place... So we did atleast another 50-60 miles worth of driving on top of that trip... Not to mention all the stops that cause the gas milage to fluctuate... rest stops change those calculations... turning the car on and off uses up gas. Theres a lot of variables in this. But the gauges in the car said 41mpg.... and it kept pretty true cause when we drove 41 miles... the gas dropped a gallon.... it also depends on what speed your driving at too. So there is a lot to factor into this than meets the eye.

yes moores law is a prediction... but it holds pretty damn true... If you think about the rate of technological advancement from 1900 to now... its exceeded moores law. Again, what kind of technology do you see down the road 20-30 years from now? Compare car technology 30 years ago to now... See the advancement? Moores law applies to things other than computers.
And as for nanotech replacing gas... Things have only begun to start... maybe not in 10 years.. but think farther ahead... we have plenty of gas to last us till we master the technology.. man kind as a whole doesn't really know shit about physics... we only know what we have in front of us.... Theres a huge universe out there we know nothing about let alone the physics to be explored out there..... Seriously, do you think that the planets moving about the universe have gasoline chugging them along? When we figure out how to manipulate the polarity of the universe we wont need gas.... Your brain isn't capable of thinking larger than whats in front of you is it?


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Date: 2006-02-28 14:25:05 Direct Link: Oil, War, Deficit, Unemployment

well well well....
apparently the germans are on top of things in the automotive industry as usual....
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1000
I wonder how well it performs under a full load... Groceries in the trunk, kids in the back seat, plus a driver and passenger.


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