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yeah the jews who didn't die did not benifit.Of course BigWigs benafit, but sometimes the avage joe does too. You over generalized because of your prejudice of what war is. You are not speaking german or japanees right now are you?

All wars are designed to increase profits for certain individuals, increase fear, control and tyranny on the public and remove human beings form their true state of being....

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nope terroism is defined bu its tactics...purely to terrorize people into a forced result. waris about obtaining objectives...controlling land.

The formula starts as it did after we took Iraq with Al Quaida revealing itself.

we didnt bomb their sewage to create any political situation within Iraq.

think about it...why would we want to anger the general Iraqi when thats whom we were going to depend on in the end?..it wasnt a war against the Iraqi..it was an attack against the regime. We had to tip toe in.

yes I AM saying using smart bombs is ok and comendable if your going to be fighting a war depending on what the intended targets were. The difference is the US isnt TARGETING children and the public for pure shock value. the insurgents in Iraq and terrorist that attacked the US did...and are.

yeah....a US soldier has no moral high ground over some fuck face trying to force his minority view upon all the people of Iraq by swaying the will of people and politicians by killing for shock value...terroist like high kill ratios for its promotional value...Us troops dont like high kill numbers of covillians because it hurts their end goal...securing the trust of the IRaqi people and the people supporting the war back in the Us and all over the world.

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I was hoping we could discuss things without me being told what my prejudices and biases were, or rather what you believe them to be....I have researched what I post probably a little more in depth than you may believe.

I never mentioned Jews - you did. My comments on Pearl Harbor are not questionable.

Having said that, its always fun here...

How about this....look into world history, power structures and control mechanisms.

It comes to a bad state of affairs when people believe war and violence offer any solution.

Consider personal relationships between a man and a woman and what tools one could use to resolve issues between them. Then transfer your answers onto a bigger scale....simplicity in all.

Or just consider, love and hate. Have you ever noticed hate narrows the mind?

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JFos wrote:
nope terroism is defined bu its tactics...purely to terrorize people into a forced result. waris about obtaining objectives...controlling land.
Exactly. It doesn't matter how many planes or bombs you have, if it is terrorism, then that is what it is. Period.

We don’t use smart bombs to terroize..qui tstretching shit. Or I could place anyone whos done anything in attempt to terrorize someone in the same boat as people who fly planes into buildings for pure poll data.
JFos wrote:
The formula starts as it did after we took Iraq with Al Quaida revealing itself.
What are you talking about? Afghanistan?

NO IRAQ…with Al Quaida’s current presence their with Al Zargawi
JFos wrote:
we didnt bomb their sewage to create any political situation within Iraq. think about it...why would we want to anger the general Iraqi when thats whom we were going to depend on in the end?..it wasnt a war against the Iraqi..it was an attack against the regime. We had to tip toe in.

But I thought we were fighting Saddam, not the Iraqis. I mean, those sewage plants were there for the civilians, right?

We bombed the sewage for the reasons I already stated. I WONT REPEAT. You still have to make the case to defend what I was going against Phiz on…that WE didn’t bomb it to break the will of the Iraqi people like he was trying to say…oru objective was to put it out of use incase Baghdad or any of these cities became siege situations..we didn’t want it to be club med.
Jfos wrote:
yes I AM saying using smart bombs is ok and comendable if your going to be fighting a war depending on what the intended targets were. The difference is the US isnt TARGETING children and the public for pure shock value. the insurgents in Iraq and terrorist that attacked the US did...and are.
Wait a minute, wasn't this a pre-emptive strike? A strike that went against the majority of the world? A strike that went against the majority of Americans? When were we attacked? 9/11? Please.

So what ..it was preemptive…what the fuck does that have to do with what I said above that the people that attacked the WTC and the insurgants in Iraq are attacking purely for shock value?
Jfos wrote:
yeah....a US soldier has no moral high ground over some fuck face trying to force his minority view upon all the people of Iraq by swaying the will of people and politicians by killing for shock value...terroist like high kill ratios for its promotional value...Us troops dont like high kill numbers of covillians because it hurts their end goal...securing the trust of the IRaqi people and the people supporting the war back in the Us and all over the world.
No, soldiers are following orders and trying to survive. The agenda is cooked up by the president and his generals, not the common infantry.

You don't even seem to question this shit at all. Maybe what we disagree on is whether killing is wrong. When I talk of holding a terrorist accountable, I am talking about investigations, courts, etc. You're talking about smartbombs. The U.S. doesn't even hold itself accountable to ANY police organization or court.
The word, "Terrorist" is a propaganda tool. Period. It objectifies a person or group and allows people like to hate them, because if we called them killers, then it would apply to us as well, and that just isn't useful to subjugate the masses.
I see your point about having it both ways, as far as safety and pacifism goes, but it's not proven here. At least not to me. Find me a killer, prove to me that he is guilty and then prove that his crime warrants his death. Then kill him. But don't bomb a country with smartbombs and tell me that it is justice, or even justified by words like "strategy, dominance and warfare." We support Iraq's crimes until they no longer serve us, then we kill, torture and descimate. Winning strategy, maybe, but I think THAT is evil. And to what purpose? What are we "Winning" in Iraq?
~J

NO SOME SOLDIERS BELIEVE IN THIS JUST AS I DO…this things been brewing for thousands of years. I didn’t question it because a millions good reasons existed to remove Saddam…all justified SIMPLY by his refusal to follow the will of that same worlds sanctions. The world is full of solutions its unwilling to execute. LIMP UN…let us watch how the UN dissolves the Iranians situation I mean it only had 12 years with Iraq. So saver this will of the World..or American people…I don’t know what you were paying attention to..but support for the war was there..in Iraq…

How can you even come close to considering yourself informed if you didn’t even know of Al Zargawi and Al Quaidas presence there? No even that you have to agree that it is truly Al Quaida…but you didn’t even know that that belief existed. Al Quaida is CURRENTLY executing suicide bombings and attacks in Iraq.


I don’t question it as MUCH as you is the issue…I find it funny the sources of the accusations. No Terrorist are easily defined as I have.

Freedom fighters don’t kills babys to scare and thus to sway public opinions…they fight for respect and freedom…attacking unarmed people isn’t fighting..its simply killing…they are those pussys you support.




and no shit Nicki Stixxx...you cant respond.

and Treck I meant to type the JEws who survived DID benfit from the waar..typo...sorry...but surely you dont think they would have traded their own blood for what ever wealth was obtained after the war...they were wealthy before the NAZIs took all the wealth from them. based on strong family ties.

that only applies to those who think WW2 was some big Jew Conspiracy.


I still cant think of any real war where both sides were wrong.

burden of proofs on you guys.

wars believeit or not happen when diplomacy fails...not when some big wigs decided his check accounts getting low...they happen when people dont hold their end of deals up...they happen when the UN fails.