Politics/Religion

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Well, as much as it pains me, I do think Jfos brings up some good points. The purpose for public education as it exists today was to create semi-educated workers for factories near the beginning of the 20 th century, if I am correct. I don't think that private education really solves much, other than money can be more open about it's influence. As a parent, I have to say that schools are very willing to accept parental involvement.
Now, the fact that information is wrongly taught to kids will happen, to an extent, no matter what system we use to educate. Read the newspaper...it's FULL of misinformation. Watch the news, listen to talk radio, etc. Money nudges truth to the sidelines and makes truth more expensive and inconvienient to distribute simply because it doesn't serve the purpose of making more money.
Enlightened voters don't serve the purpose of enriching the weapons industry, the energy industry or the insurance industry.
Religion preaches thoughtless devotion. Yes, you can question, but seek answers in the bible or your church, not anywhere else.

Jfos still speaks with a German accent, though from here it sounds like he is trying to be Texan...
:lol: ~J

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Well, I am not condemning the education system at all. Parents can and are involved to a large degree. I merely don't think that the school system is what it COULD be. It is so top-heavy, supporting a bureaucracy, rather than the children. Teachers have to balance what they say against the constricts of a p.c. society, so what they teach isn't always the truth.
I have two kids in the public school system and if a child isn't up to speed, they can be left behind. The right-wingers want to strangle the flow of money going into the school system and I can understand why, but I don't think that is the answer. More and more money is going to schools and the results are getting worse. Does anyone know why?
I was looking into sending my daughter to a private pre-school. It was a mildly christian school. They promised that my daughter would read before first grade. They even showed me the book. It was a book that my daughter has read in first grade. If it hadn't been for the christian aspect, I would have done it. But then I learned that my son (7th grade) watches a teen-news channel at school called channel 1. He comes home spouting all kinds of propaganda delivered into the claaroom almost directly from the government. No brainwashing, but it is not balanced views.
And as far as public schools teaching how to design a microchip, I don't think you'll learn how to do that for free in public schools. Maybe in a vocational school or a university. Those are not free by any means.
Also, I think that education is a very good thing, but why can't we ask how it could be better for all of us? And why do we need schools everywhere to be the same? If they want to teach I.D. in Kansas, fuck it...let them. That is what they want, right? If not, then the parents need to get involved and change it.
~J

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the bible caused people to kill and people to heal and help , its a big paperbound load of bullshit and parables but its still important

At Jfos

Nothing is proven and nothing is fact , everything is based on point of view and interpersonal conflicts and assumptions so why is science even a existant thing? or math?

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I'll come to the bunker too if you will make me one of those aluminum foil hats.

Damn, dude I don't even know where to start at. First I am glad you are back.

I am not even getting this.

So you are against education in public school? You say something should exist. You think people are being brainwashed in schools?

Earlier in the thread you mentioned not being religious. I am a devout agnostic. I do have an appreciation for the teachings of Jesus. He talked a lot about poverty. It is a theme of a lot of the red words in the book.

I think I started this thread about ID in schools. I have no problem with ID taught in schools if they teach evolution in Sunday Schools. Having no wall between church and state works both ways.

Were you calling that dude a "dumb fuck"? I know you are an intelligent cat. When making a comment questioning someone's intelligence, make sure you don't misspell anything or forget punctuation. Irony is a bitch.

People raise themselves out of poverty using the infrastructure in place.

Things are not that black and white.

I am tired. I might return to comeplete this response.

DO come to my bunker its nice..

raised million's out of poverty ..or simply changed the standard or definition of poverty?

people raise themselves out of poverty dumb fuck not the government..you youself just exposed your own lack of understanding and how your heads stuck up the govenrments ass...I know govenrment solved our poverty..I know guns kill people not people...

why not look at all the fucking projects and section eight housing thats popped up all over the US since public education then. public educations changed nothing...black communitys are still left behind because the best teachers end up in wealthy districts. Public educations and government schools are simply job programs for people who couldnt do anything else...no not all or every year..just like test scores do.

all for your dependancy.

I agree that something has to exist that equalizes the public's education at base..but not government indocrination center's. and phiz..dont make my words for me then take them on...I have a problem with teachers unions the power they have ...whats being tought to kids on my tax dollar and the system needs changed. its not working. but you a fucking idiot ..and please do come to my bunker..with your tater tot gun.

the fact I dont like you shouldnt bother you...the fact that no one does should. I find it funny you your self have this paranoid fear of conservative rule that youve never been able to substantiate and yet your so willing to allow government into the remotest parts of your brain and allow them to do what the fuck ever. Yeah you make me feel like such a "suthun" hick. Youll get to know me sometime...you will. :twisted:



WTF?..we could never elect a person like Ted Kennedy, NEVER.

Phiz your ideals arent brand new..theyve been tested and have failed..Im not this bible thumping conservative...you dont know enough about me to play chummy.

I go to events..you? My real name is Jeff Foster..look me up.